"No, I didn't direct him but he's a warrior, Rudy's a warrior".
In March, the Justice Ministry reportedly appeared to have negotiated an agreement to use the services of diGenova and Toensing where the General Prosecutor's office, headed up by Lutsenko, but would pay $300,000 to Giuliani's firm.
The contract between Giuliani and Lutsenko would likely have been to help Ukraine recover the assets that the prosecutor claimed had been stolen from the country's government; Giuliani would probably not have been paid to personally pressure Lutsenko.
The Times also reports there are other draft agreements involving Ms Toensing and Mr diGenova but do not mention Mr Giuliani.
In an interview with the Times on the same day, Giuliani said a Ukrainian official sought to hire him earlier this year, but claimed to have rejected the offer and a subsequent, separate deal with the Ukrainian government.
This is getting so bad for @RudyGiuliani that he's now getting embroiled in a set of side scandals all his own.
O'Reilly again pressed Mr. Trump on whether he had asked Giuliani to travel to Ukraine, or to pressure the US ally.
"And then when you add into the mix that Rudy Giuliani apparently was also working as part of this sort of personal political errand, this back channel fake diplomat that Dr. Fiona Hill testified was his role, it looks like he's going into triple dealing territory".
The better question is, why wouldn't he?
"I said that I am the prosecutor general of Ukraine and will not pay a dime", he added. Giuliani previously said he is working pro bono as a private defense counsel for the president.
Newsweek contacted Giuliani for further comment but did not receive an immediate response. But if there's nothing there I'll be the first one to say there's nothing there. "Giuliani's your personal lawyer". "No money was ever received and no legal work was ever performed", he said.
But Trump's claim he didn't direct Giuliani's Ukraine efforts does parallel a similar strategy the President used with his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, who is now in prison for a handful of financial crimes, including campaign finance violations that Trump directed him to commit, according to the Justice Department.
Giuliani's close associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were arrested last month at an airport outside Washington while trying to board a flight to Europe with one-way tickets. Cohen pleaded guilty to breaking campaign finance laws by facilitating the payments.
He said of Ukrainian officials, "They gave me the records and witnesses". The negotiations took place as the two worked together to find damaging information on the Bidens and evidence to support Trump's baseless conspiracy theory that Ukraine - not Russian Federation - interfered in the 2016 election.